Blog EntryGOT MESSIAH ?Apr 4, '08 2:14 AM
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GOT MESSIAH ???

(I do understand that most of my friends/contacts here really have understood who Mesias/Messiah/Moshiach is. But allowed me to share this glad tidings for they who still dont sure who HE really is, to them who is still in doubt, to them who want to know who HE really is...this is for everyone...

But I must tell you that this is not for debating but everyone want to add/share testimony/ knowledge according to the Holy Scripture are welcome)

So what is Messiah anyway? Is it a person, or an age, or neither?

YOU must make the choice. However, it is best to make your decision after considering a few important and amazing facts. Yes, the World's Best Seller (the Hebrew Scripture) does conclude there is a Messiah. It describes Him as a person.

"Nonsense!" you might say. However, IF you are a thinking person, it is better to look at the facts than just dismiss the whole thing as nonsense. Does that sound reasonable?

Here are the facts:

It was predicted in Micah 5:2 (verse one in Hebrew...by the way, Micah was the Jewish writer of the book by his name in the Hebrew Bible. He wrote around 700 BCE. He was deemed a prophet by his early readers as he is today in Jewish circles):

"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall come forth to Me the One who is to be Ruler in Israel, whose goings forth are from old, from everlasting."

RASHI (1040-1105), that great medieval Jewish commentator, understood the Ruler coming out of the town of Bethlehem to be Messiah, son of David! He linked this passage with Psalm 118:24 and says that Messiah will be the "stone which the builders rejected!" (Rashi's statements here are found in the Mikraot Gedolot, a seventeenth century compilation of famous medieval rabbinical commentary.)

TALMUD YERUSHALMI states:

"...King Messiah is born...he is from the royal palace of Bethlehem Judah."

The idea that the Messiah would be "the stone which the builders rejected" ties in well with the Jewish midrashic commentary in MIDRASH RABBAH RUTH on Ruth 2:14 in which Messiah is said to "approach to a royal state" but would suffer BEFORE he becomes king in accordance with Isaiah 53:5, which the midrash quotes:

"But He was wounded for our transgressions."

The midrash goes on to say that after that, the Messiah would be restored to His throne and defeat Israel's enemies, quoting the Hebrew Scriptures again from Isaiah 11:9,

"And he will smite the land with the rod of his mouth."

The passage from Midrash Rabbah Ruth on Ruth 2:14 reads, quoting from the Soncino Press English translation of 1939:

"The fifth interpretation makes it refer to the Messiah. COME HITHER: approach to a royal state. AND EAT OF THE BREAD refers to the bread of royalty; AND DIP THY MORSEL IN THE VINEGAR refers to his sufferings, as it is said, 'But he was wounded because of our transgression' (Isa. 53:5). AND SHE SAT BESIDE THE REAPERS, for he will be deprived of his sovereignty for a time, as it is said, 'For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken' (Zech. 14:2). AND THEY REACHED HER PARCHED CORN, means that he will be restored to his throne, as it is said, 'And he shall smite the land with the rod of his mouth' (Isa. 11:4)."

One might well ask, "What kind of time period are we talking about here between Messiah's sufferings (Isaiah 53:5) mentioned in the above midrash, and his being restored to his throne as the midrash states he will be (Isaiah 11:4)?" No time period is given. The Hebrew Scriptures in two places refer only to an unspecified amount of time:

"The LORD said to my Lord, 'Sit at my right hand UNTIL I make your enemies Your footstool." Psalm 110:1

and

"For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim. Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They shall fear the LORD and His goodness in the latter days." Hosea 3:4, 5

The Jewish prophet, Zechariah (480 BCE), picked up on the theme of the "last days" ("aharit hayamin") seen in the above passage in Hosea and said:

"In that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem...It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; THEN THEY WILL LOOK ON ME WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED [emphasis ours] and they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn." (Zechariah 12:9, 10)

Regardless of how we translate the above Hebrew Scripture into English, the Talmud in Sukkah 52a, says in a comment on this passage:

"The cause of the mourning is the slaying of Messiah"...it calls him Messiah the son of Joseph."

What are we to make of all this? Isaiah 9:6, 7 (9:5, 6 in Hebrew) speaks of a special Son who will be born to the Jewish people:

"For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder, and His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end, upon the throne of Daviid and over His kingdom, to order it and establish it with judgment and justice from that time forward, even forever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."

Regardless of how one translates this verse into English, the Jewish TARGUM JONATHAN says this Son is Messiah:

"...A child has been born to us, a son has been given to us...and his name has been called from of old, Wonderful counsellor, Mighty God, He who lives for ever, the Anointed one (or Messiah) in whose days peace shall increase upon us."

MOSES ben MAIMON, popularly called Maimonides (1135-1204), who was the author of Mishneh Torah and considered the great Talmudist of his day, also says Isaiah 9:6 (9:5 in Hebrew) refers to Messiah:

"...you have not considered the pre-eminence of the Messiah, the manner of his appearance, and the marks whereby he is to be identified...Six appellations were divinely conferred upon him as the following passage indicates:'For a child is born unto us, and a son is given unto us, and the government is upon his shoulder, and he is called Pele, Yoetz, El, Gibbor, Abiad, Sar Shalom.' (Iaaiah 9:5)."

This revealing statement by Maimonides is taken from his "Egeret Teman" (Letter to Yemen).

The Jewish MIDRASH DEVARIM (Deuteronomy), also says Isaiah 9:6 speaks of Messiah. Rabbi Samuel, the son of Nachman, says:

"Jacob replied; 'Let my Lord, I pray thee, pass over before his servant' (Genesis 33:14.) What is the meaning of, 'I pray thee, pass over?’ Jacob said to him: 'I have yet to supply the messiah, of whom it is said: "Unto us a child is born."'"

A different Jewish source says our above passage in Isaiah refers to King Hezekiah (700 BCE), one of the few good kings of Israel. However, we hardly think this is the case, because King Hezekiah's reign was not intended to be forever. His son, Manasseh, was an evil king.

YOU can make the choice of whom you think this "Son given to us" (the Jewish people) is...but bear in mind other Jewish Scriptures like Psalm 2:7, 8:

"I will declare the decree; the LORD has said to Me, You are MY Son, today I have begotten You. Ask of Me, and I will give the nations for Your inheritance, and the ends of the earth for Your possession."

The TALMUD in SUKKAH 52a says this son is Messiah:

"Our Rabbis taught, The Holy One, blessed be He, will say to the Messiah, the Son of David (May he reveal himself speedily in our days!), 'Ask of me anything, and I will give it to thee', as it is said, 'I will tell of the decree etc. this day have I begotten thee, ask of me and I will give the nations for thy inheritance.'"

MAIMONIDES also lends his voice declaring this son in Psalm 2:7 to be Messiah when he states:

"And another verse alluding to the Messiah culminates in the following manner 'Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee." (Psalm 2:7; Maimonides, "Letter to Yemen")

(Maimonides puts the above verse and Isaiah 9:5 in the same passage, referring them both to Messiah and saying, "All these statements demonstrate the pre-eminence of the Messiah." Maimonides had said previously in this passage that "God had bestowed some gifts upon him (Messiah) which he did not bestow upon Moses." He then cited these two verses.)

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richsoil wrote on Apr 4
mommyelishiva wrote on Apr 4
G-d bless you my beautiful sister in HaShem.
pastordwc wrote on Apr 4
Isnt there a passage that talks about the messiah and his siblings. Is there not a propehtic passage that says that He would have brothers. I am trying to convince someone that Jesus brothers were born to Mary and Joseph and not just Joseph kids because it would be neccesary for Jesus to be the oldest to fulfill prophecy.
Also is there some thing in history that tells us when Joseph died
capriton wrote on Apr 4
Very prophetic blog my friend. Really nice to discussed about Yeshua's genealogy .
Jacob's name God changed it into Israel and from his descendants were chosen by blood and blest by God . Yeshua came fr the descendants of Jacob and Our Messiah,Savior. Without Him dying on the cross we still be living like it was.... like lamp offering to be forgiven but He was the complete sacrifice of us all. He is our Lamp. etccc........ thanks for sharing.

helga134 wrote on Apr 4
Thanks for sharing ya Sisca...have a blessed weekend too....
vanriza wrote on Apr 5
Yeshua,I need YOU most!
Thanks for sharing,Sis!
saintfreeze wrote on Apr 7
thx for sharing and the source's link too, sis...
richsoil wrote on Apr 7
G-d bless you my beautiful sister in HaShem.
HaShem bless you and the whole family too mommyelishiva.
Hows Laila?
Hope she can get rid off the cold...
blesings.
belovedson wrote on Apr 7
Hi sisca i left you this teaching here.I hope you are blessed by it.
belovedson wrote on Apr 7
Thank you for the link above.Sisca
jansen68 wrote on Apr 9
Very Inspiring... Keep the Faith and Good Works going !
number227 wrote on Apr 10
Jesus brothers were born to Mary
I found some scripture that states he had brothers
Mark 3:32 Acts 1:14
There are many arguments for this but... Marys virginity is not important to mankind
petrus2009 wrote on Apr 14
consider this :

"The Talmud teaches that Jesus Christ was illegitimate and was conceived during menstruation; that he had the soul of Esau; that he was a fool, a conjurer, a seducer; that he was crucified, buried in hell and set up as an idol ever since by his followers."
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/talmud1.htm

number227 wrote on Apr 14
consider this..
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book,
If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of LIFE, and out of the HOLY CITY, and from the things which are written in this book.
"HE which testifieth these things saith, SURELY I COME QUICKLY. Amen.
Even so, come, Lord Yahshua Ha Mashiach.
The grace of our Lord Yahshua Ha Mashiach be with you all.
Amen."
pastordwc wrote on Apr 15
I admit that Jesus family life is of little importance. However, the firstborn was the one that the blessing went to. Jesus could not be the second born or third because then he would not be the heir to the throne o fDavid. The Scripture goes into detail pointing out that both Mary and Joseph were descendants of David. The Scripture says that he was the firsbron of many brethren. HE was the firstborn of Mary and Joseph. There are many things that have been taught about Mary that are untrue and those things hae been used to teach deception. The doctrine of Mary was not considered official doctrine of the RCC until the 1950's yet it is taught as if it were doctrine they taught since they started in the 400's AD
May the Lord reveal the truth to us about all that He did and all that we need to know so that we can understand his role as Messiah KIng and that all that He did to save us. Amen!
number227 wrote on Apr 15, edited on Apr 15
The Scripture says that he was the firsbron of many brethren.
I do not believe that scripture is speaking of bloodline in this particular passage. This verse comes from Romans 8:29 " Those whom he foreknew, he also predestined to be conformed the the image of His son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Being the firstborn was not very important to the validation of Messiah, just as it was not important with Jacob and Esau..
He indeed was born into the tribe of Judah, which did fulfill that prophecy of the lineage of David inheriting the throne.

What is spoken about as far as Jesus being the "firstborn" or "firstfruits" has to do with the resurrection of souls.

* ALL souls that ever lived will be resurrected after the 1000 year reign. Rev.20:12

*Those who are alive and remain (quite possibly those in this generation) at his coming will be "changed" ..and those who died in Christ will rise up out of their graves: this is called the 1st resurrection ( Rev.20:5)

* Jesus called this the "regeneration" in Matt. 19:28 when at his coming, the *"dead in Christ shall rise first"(1Thess.4:16)... speaking of the day of His coming in the clouds of heaven
For this reason it says... "we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will be no means precede those who are asleep."(v.15)

IF we believe that Jesus Christ was resurrected and exists presently in a BODY, just as the disciples talked, ate and drank with him AFTER He was brought back from the dead.. We also have hope that we will be changed into this same incorruptible form when we inherit eternal salvation... this is the hope of all saints in Christ.

For it says, "But now, Christ is risen from the dead, and became the firstfruits (the first one resurrected) of those that sleep" (die) {1Corinthians 15:20}

Further proof of this is found in v.23: But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruit, afterward they that are Christs' AT HIS COMING.

The firstfruits at His coming will be the 144,000 undefiled saints that "follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb."REv.14:4

This has TRULY remained a MYSTERY until these latter days of understanding:
"Behold, I tell you a mystery, We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed---
"for the trumpet will sound (at His coming) and the dead (in Christ) will be raised incorruptible, and we (who are alive) will be changed." 1Corinthians 15:51

This 'change' is talked about in Phillipians 3:21
"who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body"

Many may disagree on this, but this is what Jesus was trying to tell Nicodemus when He said "Unless one is "born again" he cannot see the Kingdom of God." Matth.25,
Born 'again' of the Spirit meaning being born into an incorruptible body just like Jesus.. because these fleshly bodies cannot inherit eternity!

Paul put it together in one verse very nicely in 1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles (nations), believed on in the world, received up into glory."

It took me quite a long time to absorb all of this scripture in a personal way through the Spirit: ..away from doctrines of men, and preconceived thoughts and imaginations..
It is very important that each man study fervently on his own, and listen for the voice of the One True Shepherd to lead them into all truths...not relying on others to lead them, and being responsible personally for your salvation and communication with the Saviour.

With this I will go...
"BEWARE lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world and not according to Christ.
For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power." Colossians 2:8-10

So, follow no man, whether it be preacher, rabbi, Rome, doctrine of A.D., B.C, Maitreya...etc., etc,..
and remember, He will not be born again on earth!!
HE IS RETURNING OUT OF THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN IN GLORY!!!!

Amen and peace to you, saints!!
ithankyou wrote on May 3
I admit that Jesus family life is of little importance. However, the firstborn was the one that the blessing went to. Jesus could not be the second born or third because then he would not be the heir to the throne o fDavid. The Scripture goes into detail pointing out that both Mary and Joseph were descendants of David. The Scripture says that he was the firsbron of many brethren. HE was the firstborn of Mary and Joseph. There are many things that have been taught about Mary that are untrue and those things hae been used to teach deception. The doctrine of Mary was not considered official doctrine of the RCC until the 1950's yet it is taught as if it were doctrine they taught since they started in the 400's AD
May the Lord reveal the truth to us about all that He did and all that we need to know so that we can understand his role as Messiah KIng and that all that He did to save us. Amen!
i agree with you pastor!
pastordwc wrote on May 3
after reading this again I had a question that came up from the comments that were listed. Jesus is the seed of God and is the firstborn son of God. God was the natural father of Jesus and May his mother. Joseph was only the stepfather. Why then does the Bible make sure we understand that Joseph was of the seed of David? Why was it important for Joseph to be of the seed of David when Jesus had none of Joseph's DNA? The Messainic line went through the Father and therefore it was important that for Jesus to be heir to David that his earthly father was in the family tree of David. That is why it is important that Jesus was the firstborn - because of the inheritance rights of the firstborn. I am interested in your comments
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